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	<title>Comments on: $10 Million Won&#8217;t Make Honey Any Sweeter For Investors</title>
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		<title>By: Marcia Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-29648</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcia Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to add a correction here (was going to post it previously when it first went up, but time slipped away): Honey magazine never had a 1.5 million circulation. It never got past an audited circulation of subscribers and newsstand of 400,000 in its print incarnation. That 1.5 is an estimate on pass-a-longs, which is not accurate. Regarding its digital rebirth, I think we should all be glad  for healthy competition in the digital arena instead of betting on which site will succeed and which one will crash and burn (just a pet peeve of mine as doing so produces negative energy). There are more than 20 million African American women online. Certainly there&#039;s room enough for more sites and more voices--and certainly worth an investment of $10 million. The success of every site targeting this audience validates that we exist online and should be spoken to deliberately. Sahara&#039;s quest to obtain financing has been for nearly four years, so kudos to them for sticking with it and presenting a plan that was investor-worthy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And fyi: the online audience of a magazine is normally younger than the actual title. So the visitors of &lt;a href=&quot;http://Essence.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Essence.com&lt;/a&gt; and the readers/subscribers are not necessarily one in the same. They have their own formula for what increases their uniques and it works for them.  At its core it is very different from Clutch, my site, &lt;a href=&quot;http://AMBERmag.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AMBERmag.com&lt;/a&gt;, Hello Beautiful, &lt;a href=&quot;http://Honeymag.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Honeymag.com&lt;/a&gt;, and the over 100 different blogs and sites that exist for this audience. And we couldn&#039;t be more pleased with the diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to add a correction here (was going to post it previously when it first went up, but time slipped away): Honey magazine never had a 1.5 million circulation. It never got past an audited circulation of subscribers and newsstand of 400,000 in its print incarnation. That 1.5 is an estimate on pass-a-longs, which is not accurate. Regarding its digital rebirth, I think we should all be glad  for healthy competition in the digital arena instead of betting on which site will succeed and which one will crash and burn (just a pet peeve of mine as doing so produces negative energy). There are more than 20 million African American women online. Certainly there&#39;s room enough for more sites and more voices&#8211;and certainly worth an investment of $10 million. The success of every site targeting this audience validates that we exist online and should be spoken to deliberately. Sahara&#39;s quest to obtain financing has been for nearly four years, so kudos to them for sticking with it and presenting a plan that was investor-worthy. </p>
<p>And fyi: the online audience of a magazine is normally younger than the actual title. So the visitors of <a href="http://Essence.com" rel="nofollow">Essence.com</a> and the readers/subscribers are not necessarily one in the same. They have their own formula for what increases their uniques and it works for them.  At its core it is very different from Clutch, my site, <a href="http://AMBERmag.com" rel="nofollow">AMBERmag.com</a>, Hello Beautiful, <a href="http://Honeymag.com" rel="nofollow">Honeymag.com</a>, and the over 100 different blogs and sites that exist for this audience. And we couldn&#39;t be more pleased with the diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: Clutch Deal Expands Partnership, Explores Larger Online Marketspace&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-28731</link>
		<dc:creator>Clutch Deal Expands Partnership, Explores Larger Online Marketspace&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eve of this year&#8217;s digital reincarnation of popular African-American woman&#8217;s magazines Honey and Sister 2 Sister, Elemental Interactive invested an undisclosed amount in Clutch Magazine in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eve of this year&#8217;s digital reincarnation of popular African-American woman&#8217;s magazines Honey and Sister 2 Sister, Elemental Interactive invested an undisclosed amount in Clutch Magazine in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Honey&#8217;s Sweet New Redesign&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-28714</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey&#8217;s Sweet New Redesign&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Content, Digital Media, Redesigns, Social Networking       Nokware talked last month about Honey Magazine&#8217;s latest incarnation as a web-only publication with a substantial $10 million investment behind it. The site recently [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Content, Digital Media, Redesigns, Social Networking       Nokware talked last month about Honey Magazine&#8217;s latest incarnation as a web-only publication with a substantial $10 million investment behind it. The site recently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Study Examines Technology Habits of Mothers&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-28402</link>
		<dc:creator>Study Examines Technology Habits of Mothers&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Diversity, Web 2.0   As the battle online over the readership of young Black Women continues to heat up, a recent study released by BSM Media, a South Florida based marketing firm, may shed some light [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Diversity, Web 2.0   As the battle online over the readership of young Black Women continues to heat up, a recent study released by BSM Media, a South Florida based marketing firm, may shed some light [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nokware Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-27446</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokware Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to be clear, this blogger is rooting for Honey as well, and believes that Sahara media can grow a great business.  It just looks improbable that they will give their investors the kind of return they may have wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to be clear, this blogger is rooting for Honey as well, and believes that Sahara media can grow a great business.  It just looks improbable that they will give their investors the kind of return they may have wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Nokware Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-27445</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokware Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me it should have read &quot;The profit margin COMPARISON used in the actual calculation was TEN TIMES that of myspace, a business has been around for a while.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me it should have read &#8220;The profit margin COMPARISON used in the actual calculation was TEN TIMES that of myspace, a business has been around for a while.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nokware Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nokware Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some clarification behind the thinking for some of the numbers:  Keep in mind that the numbers were used to show, given what information is available, an optimistic look at what kind of profit Honey might bring in compared to its biggest competitors by numbers.  

Agreed, the audience for Essence and Honey is different.  The reason Essence was used was because it is one of the largest (if not the largest) website specifically targeting African-American women, by audience.  Had another website been used the number would have been much lower.  Take another look at the post and keep in mind that the actual number used was 1.5 million, the largest audience Honey ever attracted to its print publication.  Essence was just a comparison used because, again, it is one of the largest out there according to available information.

Also, it is agreed that Interactive One has a lot that it is managing and businesses that it is just starting, so the discomfort with using its profits as a comparison is understood.  However, if you take a closer look at posting, only revenue was considered for Interactive One in its calculation, because it is one of the larger African-American sites on the web by revenue. Had the profit margin for Interactive One been used, the resulting estimate for Honey would have actually been lower (much lower).  The profit margin used in the actual calculation was that of myspace, a business has been around for a while.  

Regardless of whether the comparison is fair, the calculation still assumes that Honey would start off with a 20% profit margin out of the gate and continue to maintain that kind of margin regardless of whatever challenges it faces.  In reality, startups are often given 2-5 years time to even reach profitability, and lose money until then.  Again, had the likelihood for starting the first few years losing money been considered, the numbers in the posting would have actually been lower.  

The calculation was actually an attempt to be optimistic and give Honey the benefit of the doubt based on information available.  Based on what information is available, the only way it seems that Honey could actually do better is to gain more income per visitor than the best of its predecessors, which would likely require a creative or very efficient business model.  It&#039;s yet to be determined what that business model is, or if it is even there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some clarification behind the thinking for some of the numbers:  Keep in mind that the numbers were used to show, given what information is available, an optimistic look at what kind of profit Honey might bring in compared to its biggest competitors by numbers.  </p>
<p>Agreed, the audience for Essence and Honey is different.  The reason Essence was used was because it is one of the largest (if not the largest) website specifically targeting African-American women, by audience.  Had another website been used the number would have been much lower.  Take another look at the post and keep in mind that the actual number used was 1.5 million, the largest audience Honey ever attracted to its print publication.  Essence was just a comparison used because, again, it is one of the largest out there according to available information.</p>
<p>Also, it is agreed that Interactive One has a lot that it is managing and businesses that it is just starting, so the discomfort with using its profits as a comparison is understood.  However, if you take a closer look at posting, only revenue was considered for Interactive One in its calculation, because it is one of the larger African-American sites on the web by revenue. Had the profit margin for Interactive One been used, the resulting estimate for Honey would have actually been lower (much lower).  The profit margin used in the actual calculation was that of myspace, a business has been around for a while.  </p>
<p>Regardless of whether the comparison is fair, the calculation still assumes that Honey would start off with a 20% profit margin out of the gate and continue to maintain that kind of margin regardless of whatever challenges it faces.  In reality, startups are often given 2-5 years time to even reach profitability, and lose money until then.  Again, had the likelihood for starting the first few years losing money been considered, the numbers in the posting would have actually been lower.  </p>
<p>The calculation was actually an attempt to be optimistic and give Honey the benefit of the doubt based on information available.  Based on what information is available, the only way it seems that Honey could actually do better is to gain more income per visitor than the best of its predecessors, which would likely require a creative or very efficient business model.  It&#8217;s yet to be determined what that business model is, or if it is even there.</p>
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		<title>By: Celia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree fully with Lynne in terms of the Essence/Honey comparison — the audience is entirely different — sure, on a surface level both cater to a black female audience, but the Honey audience is younger and way more in tune with and grounded in hip-hop culture and urban aesthetics. It&#039;s like comparing urban adult contemporary to urban radio — not the same. 

Having worked with Shanel, I think she&#039;s got what it takes to make the site&#039;s editorial appeal to all the women of color who are currently under served in the media space. She&#039;s got eclectic tastes, a keen eye for fashion and music, and the drive to seek out excellent contributors and to arrange for interesting cross-platform initiatives. Now, I can&#039;t speak on Sahara&#039;s business plan or exactly what features the site will have, but I&#039;m hoping for the best. 

One last thing: The Radio One/Interactive One reference also doesn&#039;t add much weight in terms of the argument that HoneyMag.com won&#039;t recoup its investment (or see gains in the end). For one, Interactive One encompasses so many properties — HelloBeautiful.com, TheUrbanDaily.com, MiGente.com, BlackPlanet.com, NewsOne.com, etc., etc., and most of these (barring MG and BP) were launched in the last year to year and a half, so they&#039;re just starting to gain momentum. We can&#039;t really make any sound judgments about black online media based on these sites&#039; profit margins just yet.

My two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree fully with Lynne in terms of the Essence/Honey comparison — the audience is entirely different — sure, on a surface level both cater to a black female audience, but the Honey audience is younger and way more in tune with and grounded in hip-hop culture and urban aesthetics. It&#8217;s like comparing urban adult contemporary to urban radio — not the same. </p>
<p>Having worked with Shanel, I think she&#8217;s got what it takes to make the site&#8217;s editorial appeal to all the women of color who are currently under served in the media space. She&#8217;s got eclectic tastes, a keen eye for fashion and music, and the drive to seek out excellent contributors and to arrange for interesting cross-platform initiatives. Now, I can&#8217;t speak on Sahara&#8217;s business plan or exactly what features the site will have, but I&#8217;m hoping for the best. </p>
<p>One last thing: The Radio One/Interactive One reference also doesn&#8217;t add much weight in terms of the argument that HoneyMag.com won&#8217;t recoup its investment (or see gains in the end). For one, Interactive One encompasses so many properties — HelloBeautiful.com, TheUrbanDaily.com, MiGente.com, BlackPlanet.com, NewsOne.com, etc., etc., and most of these (barring MG and BP) were launched in the last year to year and a half, so they&#8217;re just starting to gain momentum. We can&#8217;t really make any sound judgments about black online media based on these sites&#8217; profit margins just yet.</p>
<p>My two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Damian Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bet is on Clutch. Why? The passion and new media expertise that Dede brings to the table is something that is not matched and attainable by a lot of other online/offline publications out there now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bet is on Clutch. Why? The passion and new media expertise that Dede brings to the table is something that is not matched and attainable by a lot of other online/offline publications out there now.</p>
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		<title>By: Qmobile, Where Are You?&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2009/01/08/10-million-wont-make-honey-taste-sweeter/comment-page-1/#comment-27284</link>
		<dc:creator>Qmobile, Where Are You?&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is developing its new website for launch, and given readers&#8217; comments in regards to Black Web 2.0&#8217;s post on the women&#8217;s online-only magazine, they may very well be depending on more than the usual content and audience for advertisers [...]</description>
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