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	<title>Comments on: Race And The Web:  Going After Niche Markets Or Practicing Digital Segregation?</title>
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		<title>By: The Blackbird Browser: 5 Months Later&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-30735</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blackbird Browser: 5 Months Later&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] headed in the right direction for our community. It&#8217;s not that I think the idea itself is separatist or racist, but the implementation still doesn&#8217;t make sense to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] headed in the right direction for our community. It&#8217;s not that I think the idea itself is separatist or racist, but the implementation still doesn&#8217;t make sense to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle H</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-26815</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mind the idea of blackbird. As a matter of fact I downloaded the browser, and appreciated the fact they had bookmarks of a variety of black websites that catered to my needs and was introduced to a few new blogs that tickled my fancy. 

My pet peeve with blackbird is that it is not compatible with a lot of plugins and websites! That is quite annoying and now I am going back to my regular mozilla!! I&#039;m just going to transfer my bookmarks from blackbird to mozilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mind the idea of blackbird. As a matter of fact I downloaded the browser, and appreciated the fact they had bookmarks of a variety of black websites that catered to my needs and was introduced to a few new blogs that tickled my fancy. </p>
<p>My pet peeve with blackbird is that it is not compatible with a lot of plugins and websites! That is quite annoying and now I am going back to my regular mozilla!! I&#8217;m just going to transfer my bookmarks from blackbird to mozilla.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ebony Experiment Launches&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-24244</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ebony Experiment Launches&#160;&#124;&#160;Black Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of &#8216;If I did this with White-only businesses&#8217; on the Sun Times attest to that. While Angela did a nice job of bringing the analytical argument to the mainstream via TechCrunch, the root of those questions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of &#8216;If I did this with White-only businesses&#8217; on the Sun Times attest to that. While Angela did a nice job of bringing the analytical argument to the mainstream via TechCrunch, the root of those questions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jabba</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-23637</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This new browser is no more segmented than IE, Firefox or Safari&quot;

That&#039;s one of the silliest things I&#039;ve ever read. IE, FF, Safari et al make no preference over which race of people their browser is targeted at. Blackbird specifically and explicitly targets black people. One is clearly more segmented than the other by design!

&quot;This allows us to go online the way we choose and finally have a more culturally relevant way of doing so&quot;

All of the sites that are available through Blackbird are available through every other browser. Oh wait, did you mean there&#039;s links in Blackbird to these sites? Other browsers have had bookmarking features since the very beginning.

&quot;Niche is the new black&quot;

Don&#039;t you mean &quot;black is the new niche&quot;?

You want a browser that filters out content which isn&#039;t specifically targeted towards black people? This is not leading anywhere good.. what happens when the anti-black browsers appear that filter out black content instead of filtering out everything else? Or the anti-semitic browsers?

The vast majority of these black-only initiatives are blatant rip-offs that simply add &quot;Black&quot; in the name and offer little to no value beyond &quot;comfort&quot; of the black users that don&#039;t want to realise that they live in a multi-cultural world.

(awaits shouts of &quot;racist!&quot;...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This new browser is no more segmented than IE, Firefox or Safari&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of the silliest things I&#8217;ve ever read. IE, FF, Safari et al make no preference over which race of people their browser is targeted at. Blackbird specifically and explicitly targets black people. One is clearly more segmented than the other by design!</p>
<p>&#8220;This allows us to go online the way we choose and finally have a more culturally relevant way of doing so&#8221;</p>
<p>All of the sites that are available through Blackbird are available through every other browser. Oh wait, did you mean there&#8217;s links in Blackbird to these sites? Other browsers have had bookmarking features since the very beginning.</p>
<p>&#8220;Niche is the new black&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean &#8220;black is the new niche&#8221;?</p>
<p>You want a browser that filters out content which isn&#8217;t specifically targeted towards black people? This is not leading anywhere good.. what happens when the anti-black browsers appear that filter out black content instead of filtering out everything else? Or the anti-semitic browsers?</p>
<p>The vast majority of these black-only initiatives are blatant rip-offs that simply add &#8220;Black&#8221; in the name and offer little to no value beyond &#8220;comfort&#8221; of the black users that don&#8217;t want to realise that they live in a multi-cultural world.</p>
<p>(awaits shouts of &#8220;racist!&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: KissMyBlackAds</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-23227</link>
		<dc:creator>KissMyBlackAds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This new browser is no more segmented than IE, Firefox or Safari. It&#039;s simply a preferential point of interest or entry.  We now approach the web as a vast container of specifics. This allows us to go online the way we choose and finally have a more culturally relevant way of doing so. Niche is the new black, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This new browser is no more segmented than IE, Firefox or Safari. It&#8217;s simply a preferential point of interest or entry.  We now approach the web as a vast container of specifics. This allows us to go online the way we choose and finally have a more culturally relevant way of doing so. Niche is the new black, if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabba</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-23194</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The racist claim comes from people who are fed up with having to tread so lightly around the issue of race for so long for fear of being branded a racist. If one of them created a white-only browser, he&#039;d instantly be labelled a racist and probably chased out of town. It&#039;s a knee-jerk reaction that has no real basis. Obviously black-only initiatives aren&#039;t racist - perhaps mildly discriminatory, but not racist.

&quot;How we can ALL move past the thought of a niche application or site being separatist?&quot;

We can&#039;t. Not if the application really is separatist. We can&#039;t pretend that it isn&#039;t. Having a million and one black-only applications (whether it&#039;s an ISP, a website or a music award ceremony) perpetuates separation and segregation, and that should be obvious.

The reason this has all come out now and not when the MOBO&#039;s were created is because it&#039;s obviously gone too far now. I mean, it&#039;s a web browser. Why does anyone need a black one? It&#039;s like creating a black telephone (Blackphone anyone?) handset. You can still call all the same numbers and people on the other end don&#039;t sound any different when you do, so what&#039;s the point, except to remind everyone that we look a little different?

The point about black cultural media not being so readily available may be well founded, but surely the answer would be to push for better integration, NOT create an entirely separate black-only world?

In the words of Michael Jackson, &quot;I&#039;m not gonna spend my life being a colour&quot;. He was right. We shouldn&#039;t. Instead of constantly reminding each other that this guy&#039;s black and this guy&#039;s white, we should instead be working together to remember that actually we&#039;re all the same colour underneath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The racist claim comes from people who are fed up with having to tread so lightly around the issue of race for so long for fear of being branded a racist. If one of them created a white-only browser, he&#8217;d instantly be labelled a racist and probably chased out of town. It&#8217;s a knee-jerk reaction that has no real basis. Obviously black-only initiatives aren&#8217;t racist &#8211; perhaps mildly discriminatory, but not racist.</p>
<p>&#8220;How we can ALL move past the thought of a niche application or site being separatist?&#8221;</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t. Not if the application really is separatist. We can&#8217;t pretend that it isn&#8217;t. Having a million and one black-only applications (whether it&#8217;s an ISP, a website or a music award ceremony) perpetuates separation and segregation, and that should be obvious.</p>
<p>The reason this has all come out now and not when the MOBO&#8217;s were created is because it&#8217;s obviously gone too far now. I mean, it&#8217;s a web browser. Why does anyone need a black one? It&#8217;s like creating a black telephone (Blackphone anyone?) handset. You can still call all the same numbers and people on the other end don&#8217;t sound any different when you do, so what&#8217;s the point, except to remind everyone that we look a little different?</p>
<p>The point about black cultural media not being so readily available may be well founded, but surely the answer would be to push for better integration, NOT create an entirely separate black-only world?</p>
<p>In the words of Michael Jackson, &#8220;I&#8217;m not gonna spend my life being a colour&#8221;. He was right. We shouldn&#8217;t. Instead of constantly reminding each other that this guy&#8217;s black and this guy&#8217;s white, we should instead be working together to remember that actually we&#8217;re all the same colour underneath.</p>
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		<title>By: mda</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-23080</link>
		<dc:creator>mda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Color does not equal culture.  

As a white man married to a black woman for 11 years, I find it absurd.  The idea that there needs to be a black way to access information is one of the most ridiculous I have ever encountered.  I want my daughter to grow up in a world were people do not make assumptions about her because of her color.  

Two steps forward, one step back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Color does not equal culture.  </p>
<p>As a white man married to a black woman for 11 years, I find it absurd.  The idea that there needs to be a black way to access information is one of the most ridiculous I have ever encountered.  I want my daughter to grow up in a world were people do not make assumptions about her because of her color.  </p>
<p>Two steps forward, one step back.</p>
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		<title>By: L Martin Johnson Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-22859</link>
		<dc:creator>L Martin Johnson Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets say for instance that BlackBird doesnt fail and it is a great success.  What&#039;s the problem with that?  I have a house full of kids that see themselves in their browser now they want to know more about the feed, plugins, and how BlackBird was designed.  BlackBird at least opens the door of empowerment just like seeing a black candidate does.  It is functional it is not vaporware and MOST of all it is just beginning 40A Inc the company that operates BlackBird has been totally responsive to all the requests for more information and suggestions that i gave them.  I have only been around the web since the beginning of Prodigy, Compuserve, and Steve Case went to Commodore for startup money for AOL.  

I am proud of this product do i think it is the best it could be no but has it crashed on any of our 3 slow computers like IE? Does has it attracted any spyware? NO and it feels faster than FireFox 3.  Right now Chrome and BlackBird are the 2 most stable Browsers we (5) people in this house are using for music, video, social media and email almost 16 hours straight right now the 17 yo boy is chatting via Meebo, Myspace and listening to music on Imeem.com.  Basically it works! Thats all i can ask of software on 1st version</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets say for instance that BlackBird doesnt fail and it is a great success.  What&#8217;s the problem with that?  I have a house full of kids that see themselves in their browser now they want to know more about the feed, plugins, and how BlackBird was designed.  BlackBird at least opens the door of empowerment just like seeing a black candidate does.  It is functional it is not vaporware and MOST of all it is just beginning 40A Inc the company that operates BlackBird has been totally responsive to all the requests for more information and suggestions that i gave them.  I have only been around the web since the beginning of Prodigy, Compuserve, and Steve Case went to Commodore for startup money for AOL.  </p>
<p>I am proud of this product do i think it is the best it could be no but has it crashed on any of our 3 slow computers like IE? Does has it attracted any spyware? NO and it feels faster than FireFox 3.  Right now Chrome and BlackBird are the 2 most stable Browsers we (5) people in this house are using for music, video, social media and email almost 16 hours straight right now the 17 yo boy is chatting via Meebo, Myspace and listening to music on Imeem.com.  Basically it works! Thats all i can ask of software on 1st version</p>
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		<title>By: The Blackbird Debate &#8211; Radio and Video @ Thought Remixer</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-22853</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blackbird Debate &#8211; Radio and Video @ Thought Remixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] her stance on Blackbird and Rushmore Drive, she also talked posted up a blog post on her blog, Black Web 2.0 as well as Tech Crunch about the very issue that Blackbird “sang” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] her stance on Blackbird and Rushmore Drive, she also talked posted up a blog post on her blog, Black Web 2.0 as well as Tech Crunch about the very issue that Blackbird “sang” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/12/12/race-and-the-web-going-after-niche-markets-or-practicing-digital-segregation/comment-page-1/#comment-22819</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the most basic thing to remember is that this has been tried in many iterations over the last 12 years and it failed time and time again -- and its probably going to fail again.   Blackbird is *not* the first black browser

Why is it likely to fail?  For core communication services (like connecting to the net, cell phone, etc) people want flagship brands that they can trust from major companies

So for all those with dreams of custom tool bars, custom browsers, race based ISPs (remember Blinks and so many others), race based mobile phones for a fully acculturated audience, or re-hashing a popular site&#039;s theme &#039;in black&#039; -- you probably want to think again...its been tried and each time has had lackluster results

What makes a browser black -- a few built in links and its color?...cmon

There is a place for culturally sensitive content as a core focus for a publishing company...trying to do it via a communications platform seems futile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most basic thing to remember is that this has been tried in many iterations over the last 12 years and it failed time and time again &#8212; and its probably going to fail again.   Blackbird is *not* the first black browser</p>
<p>Why is it likely to fail?  For core communication services (like connecting to the net, cell phone, etc) people want flagship brands that they can trust from major companies</p>
<p>So for all those with dreams of custom tool bars, custom browsers, race based ISPs (remember Blinks and so many others), race based mobile phones for a fully acculturated audience, or re-hashing a popular site&#8217;s theme &#8216;in black&#8217; &#8212; you probably want to think again&#8230;its been tried and each time has had lackluster results</p>
<p>What makes a browser black &#8212; a few built in links and its color?&#8230;cmon</p>
<p>There is a place for culturally sensitive content as a core focus for a publishing company&#8230;trying to do it via a communications platform seems futile</p>
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