Comments on: Did Allhiphop.com Get the Short End? http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/ Covering Web 2.0 Trends on African-American Websites and in African-American Culture Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:04:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mega http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-6360 Mega Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:10:20 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-6360 The deal is a potential economic bust for RadioOne or maybe not. One has to ask the question, "Is RadioOne interested in the 12-24 demographic?" There are strong dollars in this segment but not the same spending power in that group as there is among older working adults. There was $744 Billion dollars in gross earned income from Black household from 2006 data, and based on 2004 data 68% of the Black population was over the age of 18. Overall, I think this was a good deal for InteractiveOne, for the following reasons: 1. It strategically aligns with a market (hip-hop music & culture) and demographic (12 - 24) that they already being served via other platforms (i.e., Radio) that the RadioOne/InteractiveOne organization can leverage to optimize the deal. 2. If they are insightful, they could be following the Viacom model in which they are seeking to capture consumers where they are in their lifestage and then trying to own that consumer through their entire lifecycle. So they get the eyeballs of a younger demo from the AllHipHop.com audience, and they can attempt to carry those eyeballs through and across their other properties which are adult contemporary (25 - 54). 3. AllHipHop.com was probably low hanging fruit that was not ripe for acquisition, but this network deal gives RadioOne/InteractiveOne the opportunity to look at the business from an inside-out perspective. The deal is a potential economic bust for RadioOne or maybe not. One has to ask the question, “Is RadioOne interested in the 12-24 demographic?”
There are strong dollars in this segment but not the same spending power in that group as there is among older working adults. There was $744 Billion dollars in gross earned income from Black household from 2006 data, and based on 2004 data 68% of the Black population was over the age of 18.

Overall, I think this was a good deal for InteractiveOne, for the following reasons:

1. It strategically aligns with a market (hip-hop music & culture) and demographic (12 - 24) that they already being served via other platforms (i.e., Radio) that the RadioOne/InteractiveOne organization can leverage to optimize the deal.

2. If they are insightful, they could be following the Viacom model in which they are seeking to capture consumers where they are in their lifestage and then trying to own that consumer through their entire lifecycle. So they get the eyeballs of a younger demo from the AllHipHop.com audience, and they can attempt to carry those eyeballs through and across their other properties which are adult contemporary (25 - 54).

3. AllHipHop.com was probably low hanging fruit that was not ripe for acquisition, but this network deal gives RadioOne/InteractiveOne the opportunity to look at the business from an inside-out perspective.

]]> By: Gina http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-6123 Gina Thu, 29 May 2008 10:43:50 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-6123 I agree. This thing is so new and the technology and business models change so much that I would never tie myself to anyone or anything unless there was a significant upfront fee. I don't do advertising on my current blog, but it is something I am looking at for future prospects. For some reason I have the impression that revenue form a niche blog like my own wouldn't likely come from ad impressions but another model. Kind of like the difference between HBO and broadcast television I agree. This thing is so new and the technology and business models change so much that I would never tie myself to anyone or anything unless there was a significant upfront fee. I don’t do advertising on my current blog, but it is something I am looking at for future prospects. For some reason I have the impression that revenue form a niche blog like my own wouldn’t likely come from ad impressions but another model. Kind of like the difference between HBO and broadcast television

]]> By: MrMecca http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-6026 MrMecca Wed, 28 May 2008 02:49:13 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-6026 @ J Lee Gainey -- i didnt say people shouldnt use urban ad networks i was saying there are options out there to work with non-exclusive companies that are not tied to any ad supported publisher in the same space. Our site works with that kind of urban ad network Even the majors have migrated to language of describing themselves as 'independent' ad networks. I think we were agreeing @ J Lee Gainey — i didnt say people shouldnt use urban ad networks i was saying there are options out there to work with non-exclusive companies that are not tied to any ad supported publisher in the same space. Our site works with that kind of urban ad network

Even the majors have migrated to language of describing themselves as ‘independent’ ad networks.

I think we were agreeing

]]> By: J. Lee Gainey http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-6021 J. Lee Gainey Wed, 28 May 2008 01:59:59 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-6021 @MrMecca - I'll be brief. Small publishers with limited to no staff (other than oneself) should run "To" these urban focused ad networks.... because they allow you to monetize your inventory at significantly higher rates that general audience ad networks like Casale, ValueClick, Ad.com, etc. Additionally, they allow publishers to serve relevant ads that they're audience may actually be interested in. This presents a win-win-win scenario - The ads add value to the user experience - The Advertiser gets greater engagement with their ad - The Publisher can actually claim to add value to both the advertiser and user. However, publishers must have options for maximizing their revenue - and exclusive deals do not allow that. @MrMecca - I’ll be brief. Small publishers with limited to no staff (other than oneself) should run “To” these urban focused ad networks…. because they allow you to monetize your inventory at significantly higher rates that general audience ad networks like Casale, ValueClick, Ad.com, etc. Additionally, they allow publishers to serve relevant ads that they’re audience may actually be interested in. This presents a win-win-win scenario - The ads add value to the user experience - The Advertiser gets greater engagement with their ad - The Publisher can actually claim to add value to both the advertiser and user. However, publishers must have options for maximizing their revenue - and exclusive deals do not allow that.

]]> By: MrMecca http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-5904 MrMecca Mon, 26 May 2008 04:28:31 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-5904 @Markus....no doubt they have an out clause im sure. AHH has jumped to more revenue partners than Nick Cannon has to bad b*tch*s in the last few years and I don't expect that to end (on either side lol) @Slim2.0....most ad agencies who buy interactive don't have dual expertise in Radio and many campaign teams are silo'd (especially for those advertisers who have a portfolio of agencies) This is a great article and very well written I 100% agree with you here. Why a publisher would join a network model with a company who has business in the same space has continued to baffle given that all of these publishers have tried to start ad networks (BET, Essence, and now Radio One). At the end of they day...these ad supported companies are ALWAYS going to look out for themselves first where possible...ALWAYS. Why...because there is no split there. There are also a few ad networks popping up from agencies as well...this is dangerous as well (ThinkTank marketing started an ad network too). This is also a dangerous proposition when the buying agent is also the network and I sincerely hope this isnt a trend across ad agencies. Gorilla Nation also renewed their interest in the Urban space (has a press release a few weeks ago)..I had a friend with them...they also require exclusivity at some levels for participation (EFF THAT) A LOT of publishers are already aware of this and go with pure-play ad networks. There is one out there with some lineage in the multucultural space and probably the first....AdGroups.com. They are a multicultural ad network...they are minority owned....and have been in the game since 1997 according to their website. We've been with them (on a 100% voluntary exclusive basis to a non-exclusive contract) since 2003. The experience with them has changed our lives....literally. Ok thats enough of the promo for them....back to the AHH issue... Things to consider: - If RadioOne is so business savvy why is their stock always hovering around a dollar (too funny) - RadioOne enters established markets by acquisition. We've already seen them fail on that. - They have no earthly idea of how much running a large scale internet business can cost I have a lot to say because we've been approached by every single one of these ad networks. I would advise all publishers to run from any ad network initiated by a company with a major ad supported initiative in the same space (blood is thicker than water) My 32 cents @Markus….no doubt they have an out clause im sure. AHH has jumped to more revenue partners than Nick Cannon has to bad b*tch*s in the last few years and I don’t expect that to end (on either side lol)
@Slim2.0….most ad agencies who buy interactive don’t have dual expertise in Radio and many campaign teams are silo’d (especially for those advertisers who have a portfolio of agencies)

This is a great article and very well written

I 100% agree with you here. Why a publisher would join a network model with a company who has business in the same space has continued to baffle given that all of these publishers have tried to start ad networks (BET, Essence, and now Radio One). At the end of they day…these ad supported companies are ALWAYS going to look out for themselves first where possible…ALWAYS. Why…because there is no split there. There are also a few ad networks popping up from agencies as well…this is dangerous as well (ThinkTank marketing started an ad network too). This is also a dangerous proposition when the buying agent is also the network and I sincerely hope this isnt a trend across ad agencies. Gorilla Nation also renewed their interest in the Urban space (has a press release a few weeks ago)..I had a friend with them…they also require exclusivity at some levels for participation (EFF THAT)

A LOT of publishers are already aware of this and go with pure-play ad networks. There is one out there with some lineage in the multucultural space and probably the first….AdGroups.com. They are a multicultural ad network…they are minority owned….and have been in the game since 1997 according to their website. We’ve been with them (on a 100% voluntary exclusive basis to a non-exclusive contract) since 2003. The experience with them has changed our lives….literally. Ok thats enough of the promo for them….back to the AHH issue…

Things to consider:
- If RadioOne is so business savvy why is their stock always hovering around a dollar (too funny)
- RadioOne enters established markets by acquisition. We’ve already seen them fail on that.
- They have no earthly idea of how much running a large scale internet business can cost

I have a lot to say because we’ve been approached by every single one of these ad networks. I would advise all publishers to run from any ad network initiated by a company with a major ad supported initiative in the same space (blood is thicker than water)

My 32 cents

]]> By: Markus http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-5761 Markus Fri, 23 May 2008 16:12:39 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-5761 Slim you're right, AHH could use their relationship with Radio One to some how collaborate on the radio side, but I am sure they could have worked on an arrangement that didn't involve an exclusive ad sales deal. Slim you’re right, AHH could use their relationship with Radio One to some how collaborate on the radio side, but I am sure they could have worked on an arrangement that didn’t involve an exclusive ad sales deal.

]]> By: Slim2.0 http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/05/21/did-allhiphopcom-get-the-short-end/#comment-5735 Slim2.0 Fri, 23 May 2008 02:59:50 +0000 http://www.blackweb20.com/?p=467#comment-5735 I think if within the contract they have an option to fill inventory that One Interactive can not they are in a good position. By teaming with Radio One it should allow them to take their brand into new areas i.e radio, events, etc. I think if within the contract they have an option to fill inventory that One Interactive can not they are in a good position. By teaming with Radio One it should allow them to take their brand into new areas i.e radio, events, etc.

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